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the battery keeps going dead if the car sits for several days without use. we've replaced the battery 3 times. the new batteries work fine for awhile, then we're back to the same problem. we removed an old analog, hard-wired car phone, but that didn't seem to be the problem. we've had 2 different service stations try to find the problem, with no luck. both advised it could cost a great deal of money to successfully locate the problem.
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Bret - I have the same problem with my lexus and followed your advise. I inserted an ammeter and came to a steady-state reading of about 50 mA, which you say is where it should be. Nonetheless, the battery is always dead if I don't drive the car for a week or so. My mechanic says all electrical systems are okay. Do you have any other suggestions? Thanks for your help.
First and foremost, verify that your Alternator is charging at a level of at LEAST 14.2 volts at idle. Then verify that the diodes in the alternator are good with a diode test. You first have to have a stout charging system before you tackle a parasitic drain. Then, with a volt-ohm-milli-amp meter, connect the meter in between the negative post and negative terminal of the battery and have it on the 10 amp scale. wait at least 30-45 seconds to let the computers go to sleep. This is with the key out, all lights off and all doors closed. The amp reading should go down to about 50 miilamps or less. If it is reading 250 miilamps or more, then you definitely have a drain. Then remove 1 fuse at a time and, starting with the under hood fuse panel and keep going until you find the circuit that is draining the battery. When you remove the correct fuse, the amp reading will drop down to the 50 or so milliamp target. If you are still lost, contact Bret at RepairPal and ask for me. I work in San Bruno and have skills at Electrical Drain Diagnosis, I will try to help you. Dear JP, A 5 watt resistor is way to sensitive. The stop light circuit is 'hot' all the times as a safety feature. So, if you have an excess of current, then first use a test light. That will light and will not blow or get too hot. An milliamp meter is for very subtle stuff, not a fuse blowing situation. It sounds like you have a short that is bad enough to blow the fuse, intermittently. (Coincidentally, I am tracing an intermittently fuse blowing short on a Nissan Altima, the power wire will start smoking before the fuse blows, 10 amps is a lot of current, think of 9 100 watt light bulbs in your home i.e. 110volts/100 watts = .9 amps because amps x volts = watts ) So, start disconnecting components in your stop light until the test light goes out. Don't rule out a defective lamp socket either. let me know if you need more assistance. Dan from RepairPal
I have a similar problem that began in March. Residual current drain is about 60mA. When engine is running, the alternator puts out about 14.2V, which seems a bit low. Battery only seems to charge to 12.2V, not 12.6. All this seems to point to a bad diode in the alternator. Lexus wants $1500 for a new alternator, plus labor. Ouch! In other forums, I've read suggestions for pulling fuses one-by-one until the residual current drain stops. One person found that the subwoofer amplifier had a blown transistor and was drawing excess current. I am seeing what seems like normal current draw, so I am suspecting the bad diode. But, a problem like this often results in the dealer replacing ____, finding the problem still existing, and so they keep changing out parts until they solve it, so the customer gets soaked if this drags out. I was hoping to narrow it down. Just for the record, over the next few hours, various things come on (self test?) and put a much heavier drain on the battery for a few seconds, but this behavior is normal. I will update here if'when I find the problem.
I fully charged the battery with an external charger this morning. I removed the charger about 6 hours ago and just checked the battery voltage: 12.4V. I would have expected it to be about 12.6, but this is close. I checked the current draw: 20mA. I have a dash cam that likely draws this much. I have read 60mA under similar states. The more I think about it, and the more I read about it, I think my problem is a bad diode in the alternator. That would explain the 14.2V (marginal) charge voltage, and the fact that the battery voltage doesn't get above 12.2V after driving it. All this points to marginal output, and a diode is the first suspect.
OK, I finally had the alternator replaced, and all seems to be well. The weird thing is that the old alternator was working right, the past week, and charging the battery to 12.6V. When it was tempermental, only to 12.2V. Anyway, I am closing this out because I think the problem is fixed. In my spare time (HA!) I may take the old alternator apart and see if I can find the cause of the intermittency.
Good information here, Dan lays it out exactly right. I'm glad he is willing to look at this, because the shops your going to seem to be incapable of handling this. If you need to contact us, go to our homepage and click the "feedback" link at the bottom of the page. On the "Feedback Category", select "Car Information Feedback" and reference this question and I'll get you in touch with Dan's shop.
BTW- The fuse which controls all the lights is call the 'DOME' fuse. I located it using the trial and error method. So not we know where the drain is coming from. Big woop because no one seems to know how to fix it.
1999 RX300 260,007 miles just last Jan 3 2015... ..Same scenario , HAD i KNOWN that bulb was the cause of my constant worry about my battery being discharged every night i would have saved myself buying the new battery, which also drained the next day.. i read in the blogs about burned out bulb issue from by bswtwa on April 03, 2013... AND BEHOLD. YES THE 3RD BRAKE LIGHT BULB WAS THE CULPRIT!!!!= a sylvannia $4.50 bulb that uses 12.8V caused my battery to drain each night. its baffling to me.. replaced it last night and hoped for the best .. now this morning , no more battery light warning. !!!!
2000 RX300............. I have been having the EXACT same issue for over a year now. When you replaced the bulb did this solve your problem of the battery draining? I just had the alternator replaced yesterday and this morning the truck won't start. I'm curious because I have had a bulb out for a while now and hadn't thought to replace it since it isn't a headlight or brakelight.
@Froggy67, Thanks for the information about the third brake light, my Rx 300 is having the same issue when it seats 2 days straight with out moving, and surprisingly, there is a warning in the dashboard about a light. i am almost sure that could be the issue.
I had exactly the same issue-- 3 batteries, replaced the alternator, drains seemed to be about 50mA, which should have lasted a month, but each time, the battery would be dead in 3-5 days. A recent clue was that my external charger, which usually charges for a while, then goes into float mode, remained at .7A. WTF? On a wild hunch, I removed a dash cam that I had been using for months, and all my problems stopped. I think that the CMOS circuitry would frequently latch up and drain the battery-- perhaps when the super-cap in the dashcam would hold a charge, and the power lead would experience a momentary sharp drop, like when a pump motor came on or the trunk closer, and it would cause the latch-up problem. I struggled with this for months before finding it.
I have the same problem with my 2001 rx, at first just thought to be an old battery. Bought an optima yellow top stuck it in turn right on. 2days go by and now does not turn on some power is there and it seems like it does want to turn on but doesn't. When it was running i had autozone check the alternator and everything read OK. I'm stump any help will be helpful