How can this be? The PCV is underneath/behind the intake manifold on the 1.8 liter engine and requires the removal of the manifold to reach it. Once there, a new manifold gasket would be required to put all the parts back together. Is there really a RP certified repair facility willing to do the job for $40-$52?
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2009 Pontiac Vibe Question: RP quoted price for a PCV replacement on a 2009 Pontiac Vibe is $40-$52.
Answer #1cardocIII from Gillespie's Auto Service, November 23, 2013, 08:58Master
The labor according to Mitchel should be 1.5hrs. R&R of the intake manifold shows 1.4 hrs, so your assessment is accurate, the quote is incorrect. One of the biggest failures in the trade over the last few decades is how flat rate times are "calculated". There was once a time when real labor time studies were done and from them a good technician could earn a bonus by working hard and being efficient. Today many of the times almost appear to be complete fabrications, and technicians (shops) usually get the short end of the stick. That IMO (in my opinion) plays a role in why some of the over selling starts to happen with the easy services. That's the classic two wrongs trying to make a right. BTW, the real question is, why do you think the PCV needs serviced?
ReplyZKingpin, November 23, 2013, 10:34Rookie
Thanks for the quick supply. On the one hand, you would think Toyota stuck the PCV there because it is a 100,000 mile maintenance item. For me, I have never seen such an inaccessible PCV location, and, I have always been of the mindset that the PCV is a maintenance item that should be swapped out as preventative maintenance, NOT when there is a breakdown of the part which can lead to other engine issues. Does the fact that Toyota played hide and seek with the Vibe's PCV mean that I am guaranteed to get a check engine light/code when it does fail? 78,000 miles on the 2009 Vibe by the way. Your thoughts?
ReplycardocIII, November 23, 2013, 12:52Master
With todays engines and using an oil that actually meets the engines specs, the PCV valve has the potential to be a lifetime component. There is a published service interval and its actually to check the valve, not necessarily replace it.
Answer #2pushrod November 23, 2013, 12:04Master
It is quite possible it can be replaced without removing the manifold, by a mechanic with the right tools! (possibly!) Tricks of the trade. However that would not be shown in any time guide. Just some thoughts.
ReplyZKingpin, November 23, 2013, 12:41Rookie
no, I've seen the schematics and it is dead center behind the intake manifold. The manifold has to be removed. I'm sure the price quote is not the only anomaly on this website. For instance, the second generation Vibe comes with either a Corolla or Camry engine so there are bound to be spots of incorrect information entered into the system.
Replypushrod, November 23, 2013, 12:57Master
I am sure it is. I know it's Toyota. I also have seen some mechanics do some impossible task! I have not tried this so i cant say.