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2006 Dodge Grand Caravan Question: Need evidence for defective engines made by Chrysler/Dodge from 2002-2010

 

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Winks, Mattawan, MI, December 16, 2012, 07:34
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I own a 2006 Dodge Caravan with the 3.8 V6 that has been using 1 quart of oil every 1,000 miles or so. A few days ago 2 rod bearings failed. When I checked the oil, I was shocked to find none present on the dipstick!! This happened with 4,800 miles on the last change! Further, there was no warning light untilt the engine was dry! I have good records of my oil changes and some, but not all, receipts, so I can backup any claim that the failure was not due to poor maintenance.

I am 56 years old with a good mechanical background and have NEVER had an engine lose all of the oil in less than 5,000 miles and I have NEVER lost an engine, for any reason, until now. The van has 75,896 miles on it and I have the Millenium after-market warranty. I have a feeling they are going to try and pin this on me for not properly maintaining the oil level. (BTW, the engine does not, and has not, leaked or smoked.)

If the warranty company denies my claim, can you give me any advice, short of contacting my lawyer, on appealing the decision, given the history of the this engine burning excessive oil?

Thanks,
Tim Winkler
Mattawan, MI

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    December 16, 2012, 09:06
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    Confirmed Fix:
    Replaced PCV Valve Grommet
    Problem Description:
    Oil consumption looks to have been cause by oil being sucked around PCV valve and rubber seal. Vehicle used 2.5 quarts to every 2000 miles.
    Vehicle Description:
    2006 Dodge Grand Caravan Sxt 3.8L

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    Winks, December 16, 2012, 11:36
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    I should have mentioned that I replaced the PCV valve earlier this year. I'm looking for a way to prove that these engines have a defect that causes excessive oil consumption that the dealers and Chrysler knows about, but is denying. Many people have posted that Chrysler have been telling them that a quart to 1,000 miles for engines under 50,000 and 750 miles for engines over 75,000 is an industry standard, which is the same thing my dealer told me, and is a load of crap.

    And I don't understand why replacing the gromment makes any difference when there is no evidence of a leak. The oil is being burned, but there is no smoke out the tail-pipe. This remains a mystery and the dealers have been covering up the problem and lying to their customers. I am prepared to take this as far as necessary, but I need proof, beyond my own experience.

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    PARTS GUY, December 16, 2012, 13:50
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    Unless you have xray vision you will not see the leak around the PCV grommet. What would it cost for a new grommet?????
    Just trying to help.

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    Winks, December 16, 2012, 14:16
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    So the oil is seeping past the grommet so slowly that it's impossible to see and yet the engine loses 4 quarts of oil in as many thousand miles? I would think there would at least be a film of oil all around that area of the engine and firewall. And if this is a known issue, why aren't the dealers advising to have it changed instead of telling us that this type of consumption is normal, when we all know damn well that it isn't? I told them about the oil problem last spring and they noted on their service report that they checked the PVC valve and did a consumption test and all were normal? Last, every car I've owned has had a pretty sloppy fit between the vent house, the PVC valve, and the valve covers and not a one of them ever lost more than a quart to 3,000 miles, and most were even better than that. In my mind, this is a much bigger problem, Chrysler knows it, and is trying to cover it up.

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    PARTS GUY, December 16, 2012, 15:41
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    Google your problem. The power of the internet. Better use it before our KING takes it away.

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    Winks, December 16, 2012, 18:47
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    Well, Google is where I started, but I'm determined to not lose this fight so I'll keep going. Regarding the KING, true dat.

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    PARTS GUY, December 17, 2012, 01:10
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    Winks, I'd like to help you more. Contact me at jmgrhm30@gmail.com. Email me the VIN number so I can get more specific info. Being in this industry for so long I do know a lot of contacts.

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    Winks, December 17, 2012, 17:57
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    Okay. We'll see what the warranty company says tomorrow. Thanks.

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    PARTS GUY, December 29, 2012, 11:28
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    So what did you find out?

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    Winks, December 29, 2012, 18:13
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    The are going to cover it. I'm getting a used (60,000 miles)engine with a 12 month/12,000 mile warranty. No worries, I plan on trading it before the after-market warranty expires. Figure the tranny will go next, given Chrylser's reputation for tranny failures. Even though the warranty company covered the engine, I'm done with Chrysler. The warranty cost me $2,500 and to my bad (good?) luck it paid for itself, but that's the problem. A person should not have to pop for an aftermarket warranty at the end of the mfg. warranty. This van only had 15,000 miles on it when the mfg. warranty expired, so between then and now, the amount of covered failures well exceeded the cost of the warranty. That to me is simply piss poor engineering, workmanship, and materials and they aren't going to see me or my money again.

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