Took Acura into dealership to replace oxygen sensors. After everything fixed, mechanic took for test drive and noted that car wasn't riding well because front struts were old and couldn't get back into place correctly.
Is this a bunch of cacadoodoo? I think it is. Yes, I'm a girl. Thanks!
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Question: Dealer says front struts "broke" when on lift
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dandd June 15, 2010, 13:50Reply
MasterIf you had not noticed any handling or ride problems before, this sounds suspicious. I would get a second opinion, before I opened up my wallet.
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MARKMAGALLAN June 16, 2010, 18:00Techniciani had a 1997 acura in my bay for an oil change,when i racked the car to change the oil ,the strut go to full extension and if your strut are old,they will lock up.the dealer might just be right,if your strut are orignal.
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Visitor, June 17, 2010, 11:41ReplyYes, that is what the Service Mgr mentioned that the strut went to full extension and the combination of age and the recent heatwave caused the problem. The car has 97,000 miles on it without ever having replaced the struts. My instincts were that he was telling the truth but that the price to replace the 2 front struts was exorbitant ($901).
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Visitor, July 28, 2010, 13:25From a customer standpoint it seems totally illogical that the car could drive seemingly normal just prior to service, but then ride horribly only after picking up the vehicle.
I manage a repair shop and the exact same thing just happened on a customer's 2004 RL with only 78K miles on it. We did a routine oil change while the customer waited, and she called us after driving away to tell us it was riding rough when it wasn't just prior to the oil change.
Sure enough the front shocks have "locked up" and have no visible leaks of any kind. My belief is that she is being truthful about the ride quality before and after. I also believe the front shocks were probably on their way out anyway, and by simply lifting the car and allowing the shocks to fully extend it was the deathblow for them.
Hardly our fault as the shop since we simply picked the vehicle up to service it, but she insists that we must have "dropped her car" or something when we in fact did no such thing.
I offered her the regular price for fixing the problem (replace front shocks) and she seemed offended. It's a touchy situation because if I offer her a discounted rate it may be seen as an admission of guilt, which we absolutely are not guilty of any wrong doing.
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Visitor, July 28, 2010, 13:37I appreciate your reply. I had a talk with the Service Mgr at the Acura Dealership and concluded it wasn't their fault. But what was their fault were the exhobitant prices they charged for the work they performed (O2 sensors, front struts, oil change). I got them to take $800 off the bill "so I would be a returning customer". Now why would I go back to a place that overcharged me $800 in the first place? Their prices were way over what RepairPal had estimated, by sometimes $300 or $400. I hope you manage your shop better than they. AND, thanks for confirmation that these things with the struts do happen.
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Visitor, July 28, 2010, 14:22My shop charges $607.00 for genuine Acura front shocks, bump stops, including the labor and tax, out the door. I offered our customer a price of $467.00 out the door to use a good aftermarket KYB shock as a more cost effective alternative.
Dealerships can afford to cut large amounts of money from their bills because they start off charging over $100.00/hour of labor, and they mark the parts prices up 50%. They also do not have the luxury of offering the aftermarket versions of the parts. I have a $78.00/hour labor rate and can offer the EXACT same parts in many cases straight from the company that makes the part for Acura, such as Denso or NTK brand oxygen sensors, etc.
I recently left my shop to work at an Acura dealership and after just two weeks of seeing how they ran things I could not stand to remain there. I came back to my current shop which I've worked at for 10 years.
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Visitor, August 07, 2010, 15:28ReplySorry to beat a dead horse, but a friend of mine at a Honda dealership sent me this little tidbit that originally came from an Official Honda publication. Evidently the RL shocks are a noted model that experiences front shock "lock up." Begin quote:
"© 2009 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. – All Rights Reserved 1 of 1
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EDITOR’S NOTE: This article revises the July 2009 article to delete the text about high-mileage vehicles and client-pay repair. Changes are highlighted in red.You’ve got your service client’s vehicle up on a rack to do some work. You lower it back down, but now it looks like a 4x4 ready for some serious off-roading or it feels like it’s got a rock-solid suspension. If you’re wondering what’s going on, the dampers locked up. Damper lock-up is a wear-and-tear issue that can happen over time, especially in hot-weather areas. After years of high-temperature exposure, the polyurethane cushion inside the damper gets old and brittle. Raising the vehicle caused the damper piston to crush that brittle cushion against the top of the damper. Lowering the vehicle then caused bits and pieces of that cushion to plug up the damper piston valves and openings, locking the damper in an extended position. To make things right, you’ll need to replace the affected dampers.
Dec 2009
Dampers Lock Up After Lowering Vehicle on a Rack
Currently Applies To: General Information
B09120I "End quote. I know you felt assured that no wrong was done on the dealership's service department part in terms of the damage to the suspension, but this pretty much verifies it AND explains exactly what happens in these cases. I only wished that I had this info when my customer had first come back with the problem with her front shocks. As far as her car is concerned we replaced her front shocks, and we have an understanding that my shop did not cause the damages.
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St Matthews Imports August 26, 2010, 11:59ReplyRookie2002 Acura RL Shock Failure - Shop Owner's Perspective
First consider how a shock absorber works. The shock tube (outside) contains oil or gases that are compressed by the shock piston (plunger). The piston head has seals that prevent oil/gases from passing between the head and shock tube inner wall. The shock tube cap has seals preventing oil/gases from escaping past the piston shaft to the exterior of the shock assembly. Valves contained in the tube wall or the piston head regulate the amount and the speed of the oil/gases as they pass from one end of the shock absorber to the other. Managing this movement creates the ride quality and eliminates bouncing after hitting a bump. With this basic description we can understand how lifting the vehicle with a hoist can cause shock failure.
When the car is on the ground there is a “normal” range of travel of the piston inside the shock tube. This “normal” piston travel never fully collapses nor fully extends the shock absorber assembly. However, when the vehicle is lifted on the hoist for service or repairs the shock assembly is extend past the “normal” range of travel to full extension. Now consider that at 70 thousand miles a considerable amount of wear has accumulated in the shock absorber. You may not realize it, but the absorber doesn’t eliminate shock and rebound as well is it did at 30 thousand miles. The piston shaft, shock tube, and seals are all changed from wear. They still work, but not exactly like they did when new.
As your vehicle is lifted on a hoist the shocks extend past the normal range of travel. At some point the accumulated wear from use can create one of the following situations:
At full extension, like an old style bicycle pump, the piston and shock tube lose alignment. Once that alignment is lost the piston cannot go back into the tube causing piston seizure.
At full extension, the valve system orifice in the tube wall or plunger head becomes blocked by the plunger head. Oil/gases cannot pass from below the plunger head to above the plunger head. With all the oil/gases on one side of the plunger head the piston is seized and cannot go back into the tube.
At full extension, the plunger head disturbs scale on the inner tube wall. The loosened debris is pulled into the valve system causing the piston to be seized in place. Or the debris can damage the internal seals and the shock will no longer dampen shock or eliminate rebound.
Your vehicle manufacturer gives guidelines for when certain items should be replaced because those parts are designed to last a specified amount of time or miles. Once you have reached that suggested life expectancy every additional mile is a bonus. While it may be difficult to digest, lifting the vehicle for service isn’t the cause of the shock failure. The shocks are past their life expectancy and already need replacement.
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Visitor, October 15, 2010, 13:43Replyno the struts should be damage after oil change
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threekids February 07, 2012, 09:32ReplyRookieacura is going to tell u something is wrong just to get u to fix it on a 96 nothing is new i have one
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